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#25300 Popups don't go away

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Latest post by nicholas on Sunday, 05 June 2016 11:27 CDT

UglyEoin
Hello Nicholas, I hope you are well.

I'm contacting you with a UX type of issue I find frustrating.

Your popups don't disappear. They just wait until you hover elsewhere. They're often blocking another element, and in order to reach it or see what it says I have to hover elsewhere. At times there's a little dance I do moving the popup around the place to see various fields. It would be much better if they just disappeared after a period of time.

Just my opinion, not clear user testing, but it has bothered me numerous times, so I thought I would report it.

nicholas
Akeeba Staff
Manager
Can you please specify which popups you are talking about? If you mean the Configuration Wizard and/or the restoration instructions popup there was a bug which prevented them from being dismissed forever that I've fixed in beta 1.

Nicholas K. Dionysopoulos

Lead Developer and Director

🇬🇷Greek: native 🇬🇧English: excellent 🇫🇷French: basic • 🕐 My time zone is Europe / Athens
Please keep in mind my timezone and cultural differences when reading my replies. Thank you!

nicholas
Akeeba Staff
Manager
Unless by popups you mean the tooltips in the Configuration page? Yes, they are designed to be static. If you want to make them disappear move your mouse inside the tooltip and then to the right, over a field (not a label). The tooltip goes away.

The static tooltips were designed with the intention of being able to copy information from them and being able to read them. We had a lot of people who complained before about the tooltips going away when they moved their mouse.

You know, this is a lose-lose situation for me. Half of the people are annoyed by how it works now, half are annoyed by how it used to work. From a UX perspective anything I do is equally bad. Removing the tooltips would annoy everyone. So, we ended up with one of the two least annoying ways to do it.

Nicholas K. Dionysopoulos

Lead Developer and Director

🇬🇷Greek: native 🇬🇧English: excellent 🇫🇷French: basic • 🕐 My time zone is Europe / Athens
Please keep in mind my timezone and cultural differences when reading my replies. Thank you!

UglyEoin
Hmm, I'm not 100% sure I agree with your logic on this one, although I'm happy to submit to your logic in 99% of situations.

I am glad I asked though as knowing the information that I can move inside the tooltip and back out closes it. Being a long term user I would have thought I'd have noticed that before. I haven't so probably others may also not have noticed.

https://goo.gl/GfZpNT

So given neither group is happy, why don't we look at some other options, rather than saying, you can't please all of the people, why don't we try to, or at least try to please more than 50%. I say we, I mean I suggest ideas, and you tell me whether they can work or not and implement them.

I agree that tooltips you can't click on are quite annoying, I've seen many a tooltip with a link inside it that you can't click on. A frustrating experience; made more frustrating by the fact inspect element > hover doesn't help as they are often triggered by JS.

Is there a way you could put a link to copy the text (or a button) within the tooltip? In fact, if you can do that, then surely you can copy the text. So scrap that idea. How about the tooltip does not disappear if you are hovered on it, but after you mouse out of a tooltip, it closes after a second (or x seconds). Is that achievable?

nicholas
Akeeba Staff
Manager
The problem is that on regular tooltips as soon as you move the mouse outside the label the tooltip disappears. This does not let you copy anything from the tooltip's contents. I can try making some adjustments but I'm pretty sure the other half of the users will complain. A timeout for the tooltip is even worse since you need to be REALLY FAST and, face it, no other web or OS element exhibits this behavior. The middle ground is what is implemented. Move your mouse from the label to the tooltip to the right and the tooltip disappears. This is what most people naturally do –and what you did before you noticed the sticky behavior– therefore we had very few complaints.

Nicholas K. Dionysopoulos

Lead Developer and Director

🇬🇷Greek: native 🇬🇧English: excellent 🇫🇷French: basic • 🕐 My time zone is Europe / Athens
Please keep in mind my timezone and cultural differences when reading my replies. Thank you!

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